Conversation between Sufi mystic Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee and theologian Matthew Fox, the faith leaders discuss sacred ecology, unity consciousness, spiritual narcissism and bringing reverence for the earth into today’s ecological debate. (clic aquí para ver la conversación entera).
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Llewellyn:... We're a culture of mass distractions. We try to avoid at all costs seeing the real fruits of our actions.
You talk about practices; I would say the most important practice is to listen. Thich Nhat Hanh said to heal the earth, he says to listen to its cry because the earth is crying, but we don't know how to listen. We've forgotten this feminine wisdom of deep listening. If there is deep ecology, there is deep listening. We have to relearn this feminine wisdom of listening to the earth. It is so old, it is so wise, it has been through many crises before, and we need to cooperate.
In fact, Thomas Berry says we are only talking to ourselves; we are not talking to the rivers; we are not listening to the winds and stars; we have broken the great conversation. By breaking that conversation we have shattered the universe. And we have to learn again how to listen to the earth, and how to open that ear of the heart. We have been told this great lie that we are separate from the earth, that it is something out there. It is not out there, we are part of the earth. We are made of stardust.
We need to feel the grief within our own self for the earth and learn
to listen to the earth, learn to hear it, learn to re-attune ourselves,
just like the shamans did of old, just like the wise people who listened
to the wind, who listened to the rivers, who felt the heartbeat of
creation. And it might not sound very practical but it has a deep, deep
wisdom within it, and I think we need all the help we can get at the
moment.
Matthew: Absolutely. And that's where the world's spiritual traditions, if they get out of their anthropocentric, reptilian brain dimension of wanting to conquer each other and be number one or something gets shaken down, and as you say, bring this feminine dimension back, the receptivity and contemplation and silence.
Llewellyn: And not to rush for a quick fix, because I don't think we can quickly fix this environmental crisis. It has been building up for centuries.
Matthew: I do think that the patriarchal mindset feeds the reptilian brain excessively, whereas, I think the real way to treat the reptilian brain is to learn to meditate and be still, because reptiles like to lie low and in the sun… We have to make room for that mammal brain, which is half as old as the reptilian brain in us, which is the brain of compassion and the brain of kinship and family, and also of getting along with the rest of nature....
August 30, 2013 By
You talk about practices; I would say the most important practice is to listen. Thich Nhat Hanh said to heal the earth, he says to listen to its cry because the earth is crying, but we don't know how to listen. We've forgotten this feminine wisdom of deep listening. If there is deep ecology, there is deep listening. We have to relearn this feminine wisdom of listening to the earth. It is so old, it is so wise, it has been through many crises before, and we need to cooperate.
In fact, Thomas Berry says we are only talking to ourselves; we are not talking to the rivers; we are not listening to the winds and stars; we have broken the great conversation. By breaking that conversation we have shattered the universe. And we have to learn again how to listen to the earth, and how to open that ear of the heart. We have been told this great lie that we are separate from the earth, that it is something out there. It is not out there, we are part of the earth. We are made of stardust.
We need to feel the grief within our own self for the earth and learn
to listen to the earth, learn to hear it, learn to re-attune ourselves,
just like the shamans did of old, just like the wise people who listened
to the wind, who listened to the rivers, who felt the heartbeat of
creation. And it might not sound very practical but it has a deep, deep
wisdom within it, and I think we need all the help we can get at the
moment.
Matthew: Absolutely. And that's where the world's spiritual traditions, if they get out of their anthropocentric, reptilian brain dimension of wanting to conquer each other and be number one or something gets shaken down, and as you say, bring this feminine dimension back, the receptivity and contemplation and silence.
Llewellyn: And not to rush for a quick fix, because I don't think we can quickly fix this environmental crisis. It has been building up for centuries.
Matthew: I do think that the patriarchal mindset feeds the reptilian brain excessively, whereas, I think the real way to treat the reptilian brain is to learn to meditate and be still, because reptiles like to lie low and in the sun… We have to make room for that mammal brain, which is half as old as the reptilian brain in us, which is the brain of compassion and the brain of kinship and family, and also of getting along with the rest of nature....
August 30, 2013 By
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